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Flat.Duo Record Flattening and Relaxing
By: Michael Fremer

February 15th, 2025

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Editor's Choice

This Time the Flat.Duo Record Relaxer Produced Perfectly Quiet "Relaxed" Records!

the only explanation was that the surfaces had not been sufficiently clean before "relaxing"

The Flat.Duo's outstanding warped record flattening ability was the highlight of the previous Flat.Duo video. The noise added to two records I "relaxed" using the Flat.Duo's "Relax" mode's standard settings were the lowlights. Naturally, the manufacturer in Germany and the importer were disturbed by the results and who could blame them?

Both said that customers (including some industry insiders I know) had no such experience and they wondered whether the surfaces in the device might have been contaminated with dirt of some sort during the manufacturing process. I suggested the instructions should advise buyers to clean the surfaces with compressed air and/or a mild cleaning agent.

That's what I did before "relax"-ing two additional records: Lori Lieberman's new one "Perfect Day"—an AAA audiophile type recording on LowSwing Records (LOSW 012) and "Trio 64" a Bill Evans trio recording (with Gary Peacock and Paul Motian) originally on Verve and re-issued last year as part of the Acoustic Sounds/Verve series, cut directly from tape by Ryan Smith at Sterling Sound. The original recording engineer was RCA ace Bob Simpson.

These are very quiet records and pressings that you'll hear in their entirety (side one) directly out of the jacket (after KLAUDIO cavitation cleaning) and a second time following the Flat.Duo's "RELAX" vinyl tempering process that heats up the record to a low temperature, holds it there for an extended period and then gradually cools it down.

The process is said to re-align the molecules to reduce stress and tension thus producing vinyl that's "harder, more robust and more homogeneous". More to the point it's said to sound more pleasing. On the original video you can hear that both records got considerably noisier, something the manufacturer and importer claim should not happen and that no one else experienced. I just reported on what I heard and documented.

This time after being "relaxed" both records sounded as quiet, perfect and noise and "pop" free as they sounded before the process and you'll hear for yourself in this video. The cartridge is the Gryphon Black Diamond DLC ($20,000), the arm is the SAT CF1-12 ($70,000), the turntable is the Wilson-Benesch Prime Meridian turntable (one down from the GMT because it does not have the pneumatic suspension), the phono preamp is the CH Precision P10. A/D was via a Lynx HiLo and recording was by VinylStudio software. Last time for some reason the files didn't track at the same volume. Everything here was double checked so levels should be identical ("should" is the operative word)! What do you hear comparing the two versions?

My advice: if you buy a Flat.Duo, be sure to clean all record touching surfaces before using it.

Comments

  • 2025-02-15 10:28:21 PM

    Come on wrote:

    As far as I know, the principle of the AFI is that the surfaces of the flattener directly touch the record surface and the record lip is placed outside this touching area.

    The principle of the ORB is, that the surfaces of the flattener only touch the lip and the record surfaces have some air between them and the flattener. This is also the reason why for lipless records an insert is needed to care for this air gap.

    If I’m right with the AFI principle, this could be the reason that it’s sensible to slightly dirty records, which you don’t know from your ORB.

  • 2025-02-16 07:48:10 AM

    Marc wrote:

    I would not be in the position to buy such a relaxing device. My wife would kill me… I thought that it would be normal to clean a record before this process even if it is not written in the instructions ( but should be apparently included as a process improvement). Further, I hope that the new Lori Lieberman record will not come out as a „warped edition“ when you had the feeling to „relax“ it ( as well as the other record).

  • 2025-02-16 10:02:42 PM

    Anton wrote:

    "...re-align the molecules to reduce stress and tension thus producing vinyl that's "harder"...

    Question: do we want records to be harder? Would a harder record make for more friction?

    It will be interesting to see if stylus lifespan declines with 'harder' records.

    Also, if we are 're-aligning' vinyl molecules, what new configuration is created?

    Would the similar Furutech or Vinyl Flat products also "relax" the records?

    A whole new niche's worth of questions to explore.

    • 2025-02-17 07:50:45 AM

      Come on wrote:

      The Furutech is built by ORB to my knowledge and has the same principle. If, with their different optional programs and temperatures, both relax in the same way as the AFI, would have been a most interesting aspect of such a review and something probably just MF could find out.

      • 2025-02-17 11:41:39 PM

        vortrex wrote:

        I did 100’s of records with the Orb. It flattens very well but does nothing to improve the sound quality. The AFI in Relax mode makes an obvious sonic improvement.

        • 2025-02-18 07:16:29 AM

          Come on wrote:

          Wow, you have 2 flatteners? Did you also try the ORB‘s lower temperature option? If you want to relax and flattener a record with the AFI, then you eventually have to make 2 runs, right? Otherwise its flattening mode wouldn’t be different (higher temperature/longer time). Not sure how many do want to spend that time for finally treating warped records. All of this would have been an interesting review and comparison topic. Let’s see what MF resolves about the relax mode from his listening. But resolving mostly takes a very long time and often doesn’t happen at all in my experience ;-)

          • 2025-02-19 02:58:59 PM

            vortrex wrote:

            I used the Orb for many years then switched to the AFI. I always used the Orb on LOW. Maybe a few times I used MED in extreme cases. I never used HIGH.

            With the AFI you essentially never want to use STANDARD mode. That’s a quick flattening process using the fan for cool down. You won’t get the sonic benefits. So, I use RELAX for everything. If it doesn’t fully flatten after one run you change the time to 90 min. If after the second run it’s not flattened you raise the temp 2C and run again for 90 min. Almost all of mine are fine after one run of RELAX at the default settings.

            • 2025-02-21 01:01:38 AM

              Come on wrote:

              Oh I see, thanks. I always use the 4h MED setting. Never a problem, all records always flat…but totally unrelaxed…

  • 2025-02-16 11:48:52 PM

    Josquin des Prez wrote:

    Something like this will never work for me. I have 5000 LPs and never know 4 hrs in advance what I'm going to play. I can just deal with cleaning a next record to play – in my Degritter for 10 minutes – as I play something else preceding it. That's about it. I'll never end up relaxing enough records to justify the price tag.

  • 2025-02-17 08:10:21 AM

    Come on wrote:

    Whatever it means to listen to the comparison on an iPad from YouTube…I quickly checked the very beginning of the Lori Lieberman record only and what I thought to hear was, that the second drum hit…the one that has a long decay, fades out longer on the first playback example. Makes not much sense, but my patience wasn’t sufficient for more, sorry.

  • 2025-02-18 11:04:38 PM

    Todd wrote:

    I love your album reviews, but this is voodoo, plain and simple.

    • 2025-02-19 12:33:16 AM

      Come on wrote:

      That material like steel (and I’m sure also vinyl) indeed relaxes with heat treatment is no voodoo imo.

      In terms of a vinyl disc this may have implications on resonance behavior of the disc when played.

      The question is, in which directionn does it go soundwise (different or /better) and is the effect present also for fix clamp/platter or vacuum connections at all? All interesting aspects for a review.

    • 2025-02-19 08:34:51 PM

      vortrex wrote:

      If you can’t hear an obvious change for the better your ears or system probably aren’t up for it. I have two sections of my record storage, RELAX’d and not. I don’t ever even want to reach for one that is not RELAX’d yet. I’m not a tweak person either.

      • 2025-02-19 10:27:11 PM

        Todd wrote:

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman